When my first album, "Laid Back," came out Dennis Dragon and I started our own record label and called it “Rural Records.” Our logo was a telephone pole with a pigeon sitting on it. Later on Jackson Browne made a funny comment stating that it was interesting that we had a pigeon on the pole when we were based in Capistrano. San Juan Capistrano is famous for being the place the “swallows” come back to every year. I love Jackson Browne and am a huge fan of all of his music. I had known him in our younger years surfing in Seal Beach, but I had kind of forgotten him. When his song “Doctor my Eyes” came out and he was starting to get known he did a concert at my local folk club in San Clemente, the Four Muses, and I went to see him. But I didn’t know he was the same kid I had surfed with years before. I was standing at the refreshment counter getting something and he walked up and started talking me like we were old pals. I knew I knew him, but I could not think of who in the heck he was. Just somebody I had known years before and I could not think of his name. Looking for clues I asked him what he was up to these days. He said he was playing music. I said that was cool and asked if he was playing anywhere. He said he was playing THERE that night. I say, “Wow, are you playing with Jackson Browne?” He laughed and said, “Uh yeah, I am Jackson Browne.” Oops, kind of embarrassing moment. But all was good and the next day I took him surfing with me at Cottons and we rekindled the old friendship. I also met David Lindley for the first time, another musician I am a big fan of and become a little closer friend with in later years.